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Xiphoid

07-20-2004, 08:45 PM

A few maniacs joined my tabled and turned it into a "cap every street" game. I knew on the flop that after it was raised, it would likely get capped... and who knows what would happen on the turn and river. Should I have called any bets though on the flop?

Even if I hit my straight, I'm likely splitting the pot with someone else, so this hurts my pot odds pretty badly. Did I make the correct fold?

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 3-bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (21 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (7 players)
SB checks, BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, UTG folds, Hero folds, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (21.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (26.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, CO folds, SB raises, BB folds, MP2 calls $0.55 (All-In), MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 31.05 BB
Main Pot: 30.60 BB, between MP2 and SB. > Pot won by SB (30.60 BB).
Pot 2: 0.44 BB, returned to SB.

Results in white below: 
SB shows Ac 9h (straight, jack high).
MP2 shows Jc Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: SB wins 31.04 BB.

Sent

07-20-2004, 08:51 PM

I don't think you can fold on the flop with an OESD like that for 2 more bets

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Jimbobobb

07-20-2004, 08:57 PM

with 7 people seeing the flop, and 'maniacs' at the table, seems like you definitely have the odds to be hoping for a set or in this case a straight, and you'll have people to pay you off. Why would you fear splitting the pot though? You have 2 of the nines....chance of someone else having one is slim. I think you're looking too much at the results. You have an open-ended straight draw on the flop. If I remember correctly, the odds of you hitting by the river are 1.9 to 1. With people ready to call all the way at your table, I think you need to see the river.

sublime

07-20-2004, 08:58 PM

Raise preflop

Your thinking on the flop is correct, but If I knew it was going to be raised I would either raise it myself or fold.

Xiphoid

07-20-2004, 09:30 PM

Jimbo, I'm in Blacksburg too... VT student?

Basically, I was afraid of the snowball effect... I call one or two bets, it gets raised another one or two and this continues throughout the flop, turn and river. All along, I'm telling myself "keep going because it's a huge pot", but I chance to possibly lose 11 or 12BB.

sublime, I usually raise here, but I believe one of the players after me had just sat down and posted. Otherwise, I'll always raise first in or after one limper with 99.

I'm not really sure what I would do if this situation came up again. I guess the odds are there to see a turn card, as you all have suggested.

nepenthe

07-20-2004, 10:51 PM

At no point in this hand can you dare fold. The pot is gigantic and you have an OESD. Terrible, terrible fold.

Jimbobobb

07-21-2004, 03:21 AM

Yup, Tech indeed :-) Calling is fine. The pot is gigantic, and you have the odds to call. And the people to pay you off when you hit.

chief444

07-21-2004, 08:13 AM

The only part I don't understand is the first flop call. If you anticipated and were so sure of the action to follow, but yet had no intention of calling the flop raises, then why call the first?

I do think you should have seen the turn here. I honestly would have raised the first flop bet. Even if you split the pot in the end you can see now that you had the odds to put in 4 flop bets.

afk

07-21-2004, 08:39 AM

I think i would have:
Raised preflop.
Raised the flop.
Sorry dude, but I think your flop fold is terrible. With maniacs at the table, I'm probably seeing this draw to the river. Even with my lousy effective odds I think it's still profitable to play this hand.

Xiphoid

07-21-2004, 09:48 AM

Thanks for the advice, everyone. I'm glad I posted this one because I played it incorrectly and missed out on a big pot.

Sent

07-21-2004, 09:55 AM

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Thanks for the advice, everyone. I'm glad I posted this one because I played it incorrectly and missed out on a big pot.

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We are all here to learn my friend /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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RED_RAIN

07-21-2004, 12:43 PM

You talk about likely to split the pot. Please notice that you have pocket 9s, thus onlly 2 more 9s out there. With that many people in the pot on the flop, they aren't all drawing with the 9. If you hit, especially the low end of the straight making it, I start to play very aggression.