Please clarify heads-up unlimited raising for me...

[MagicRat]

Is it unlimited raising only on the River or on any street where you are heads-up?? Thanks again...

[ewile]

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[MagicRat]

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That sax solo rules.

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Still gives me goosebumps hundreds (thousands?) of listens later... /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Rams_Law]

If the hand becomes heads=up at any point, the cap on raises (3 or 4 raises max per betting round) is lifted, meaning the two players can continue to raise each other indefinitely. The cap primarily prevents a player from getting whip-sawed between two players colluding and raising one another; once there are only two players either player can stop the action by just calling.

[daryn]

in some cardrooms, the rule is that then betting round has to start heads up, in order for the unlimited raising rule to be in effect.

for instance, if 3 people see the turn, 1st guy bets, 2nd guy folds, 3rd guy raises, even though the hand is now heads up, the raises are still capped at whatever they are capped at.

again that's the way it is in some rooms.

[highlife]

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in some cardrooms, the rule is that then betting round has to start heads up, in order for the unlimited raising rule to be in effect.

for instance, if 3 people see the turn, 1st guy bets, 2nd guy folds, 3rd guy raises, even though the hand is now heads up, the raises are still capped at whatever they are capped at.

again that's the way it is in some rooms.

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yep that seems to be the way they enforce it in AC, although the dealers and floormen often times make their own rules which can be quite frustrating. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[LetsRock]

This is a casino specific rule. I've never actually seen it in effect, but different casinos handle this matter differently. Find out the rules in that particular casino before you NEED to know them.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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If the hand becomes heads=up at any point, the cap on raises (3 or 4 raises max per betting round) is lifted, meaning the two players can continue to raise each other indefinitely. The cap primarily prevents a player from getting whip-sawed between two players colluding and raising one another; once there are only two players either player can stop the action by just calling.

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in los angeles and per my understanding in las vegas this isn't quite right. if the action is three way when the cap is reached (three raises in los angeles, four raises in las vegas) the pot is capped and cannot become uncapped.

for example, A checks, B bets, C raises (first raise), A calls two bets cold, B reraises (second raise), C reraises (this is the third raise which caps the pot in los angeles), A now folds, B can only call because when the third raise went in the pot was contested by three players thus the cap was reached.

this method is derived from bob ciaffone, who has had considerable influence regarding las vegas and california poker rules. reason in a nutshell is a player putting in a third raise (when the cap is normally three raises) in a three way pot should not face additional raises because a player in for only two raises now drops out.

regards,

rick

[Bulldog]

Here is a real-life example from the Borgata 6/12 game I was in on Saturday. Pot unraised preflop, flop is K72, two hearts. A bet and a couple calls. Turn is a blank; another bet and one caller, river is the 7 of hearts. TAG in Seat 8 bets $12. Moron playing every hand in Seat 3 raises to $24. TAG makes it $36. Moron makes it $48. TAG makes it $60. Apparently no alarms are going off in Moron's head, who thinks for about half a second and says, "let's try one more" and makes it $72. TAG bumps it to $84. Finally Moron calls. TAG shows 72o for the boat. Moron turns over A6 of hearts and can't believe he lost. Finally someone says, "didn't you think he might have a full house, or quads?" and he says "no, I never thought about that". An $84 lesson in how to read the board.

[cardcounter0]

Some places it is only on the river. Some places at any point. Some places the street has to start heads up, while others it is at any time it becomes heads up.

Ask for clarification first, then you won't get burnt later.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

TAG shows 72o

I know he had to be the BB, but it's still funny out of context.

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

Good idea to clarify this immediately. I was up against a very aggressive player in my first casino 6/12 game last month. I rivered the nut flush on an unpaired board. I bet, he raised, I reraised, he reraised and I called, indicating I knew he had "capped" it. The dealer and another player immediately told me that there was no cap, but I had already called. I certainly could have drawn another $12, maybe $36 out of his set or king-high flush (I really don't know which, since he mucked when I turned up the nuts). Unfortunately, I never had the opportunity to not make this mistake again on my three-day trip. I'm looking forward to not making this mistake when I return to Vegas in September.

[Lottery Larry]

be careful about getting too high-n-mighty. I think someone cost themself a few big bets recently against a straight flush IIRC...