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Schneids
07-16-2004, 06:56 PM
Day Sixty (July 14) and Conclusion -- 07.16.04, 14:30

Sixty days already – my how time flies when you're having fun. Ok, hopefully that'll be the last cliché to be a part of my journals. Before continuing, I'd like to note that in my last journal I listed $31,946.08, when really it should have said $31,346.08.

My final day found me playing 10/20 six-max for a little under two hours and finishing down $88, and then I played in a 30+3 NL multi table tournament that had 1550 people in it. In the multi I ended up finishing 61st place, leaving me a net +$20 on the day. I feel like I'm really getting the hang of these multis and as soon as I start focusing more extensively on them I'm due for a big finish. What hurt me this time around was getting all in preflop against people twice in coin flip scenarios and losing both times – once with JJ against a small stack's KQ (costing me T12,000), and once with 99 against a larger stack's JTd, which knocked me out of the tournament (circumstances of this hand were as follows: 1000/2000 blinds, opponent has roughly T40,000 in chips, average is T28,000, I have around T21,000. Opponent open raises to T4,000 from MP. I push all in right after him. He calls, and makes a flush to knock me out).

After the tournament (so about 1:45am), I went to Perkins with a friend and got some mozzarella cheese sticks there. I brought along HPFAP since he plays a lot of cards too and we were going to be discussing poker, and when the hostess saw me with the book she started asking more about poker since her son plays it a lot and watches it on television and she was "surprised there were also books available on texas hold em." It's shocking to consider the extent at which poker has permeated our society in the past year or two. It is one of the top fads (or mainstays, it remains to be seen...) of the 21st century, without a doubt.

Sticking to a turn plan: UTG limps, CO raises, button calls, I 3-bet from my SB with AsAd, UTG calls, CO caps, all call. 2s2d9c flop; I bet, all call. Turn Jd; I check, UTG checks, CO bets, button raises, I 3-bet, 2 folds, button caps, I call. Ok, now what? Can someone guess his hand? River 4s; I check, CO bets, I call, and button shows Js9s and I take the pot. I wonder if betting the river was the right play or if it's close enough that it doesn't matter. I didn't think he had a 2, but 99 (and to an extent, JJ) are both possibilities as well.

Here is a hand from the misplayed department: 1 fold, Stripsqueez raises, I 3-bet from the button with 9s9c, BB calls, Strip caps, both call. Flop Kc9d4h; check, Strip bets, I raise, BB calls, Strip calls. 7h; checked to me, I bet, BB calls, Strip raises, I call, BB calls. River Kd; check, check, I bet, both call, and I win against BB's KhQs and Strip's AsAc. I suppose in fairness, if BB has a hand such as 98 and the river is an 8, then calling the turn check raise makes me look rosey (assuming the BB folds on the turn to a 3-bet), but the simple fact is I should have gotten as much into the pot while I could, since as it turned out this hand, the board pairing king killed my action from Strip (I assume had the card been safer the river action would have had Strip betting, me raising, BB cold calling, Strip calling).

The final poker hand I'm going to ever talk about in these journals actually occurred November 22nd, 2003 -- close to 8 months ago. If I remember correctly I believe this was the second night I had ever played in 10/20 6-max. In the hand, I raised AsAc UTG, was cold called by UTG+1, and defended by a BB named akshawnd. Flop of Qd5sJd; check, I bet, call, call. Turn 5c; check, I bet, call, BB raises, I 3-bet, fold, BB caps, I call. River 8h; check, and I check. Wow, what a weak check. It's so easy now to see my hand is good. At that time, all I knew was that akshawnd was a 2+2er. I had no idea he was Ulysses. He knew who I was since I had made a post asking about the 10/20 6-max games and in the table chat he asked me how it was going. More to a point though: My game has taken immense strides between then and now. I believe with the right amount of dedication, anybody's game can make huge strides in 8 months, and I hope eight months from now I feel my game has taken huge strides from where it's at today.


A Conclusion

One of the first and most immediate questions on my mind is: Where did I go wrong? I know one of the ultimate causations of falling so short was that I didn't put in enough hours, but there are plenty of additional reasons for this. Some people have asked me if the goal was too ambitious. No, even to this day, I still don't believe it was. I made my goal based on a large database of numbers from 3-tabling 10/20 6-max, and even if I overestimated how much my overall win rate would increase with a fourth table, I don't want to blame my goal failure on my goal itself being too lofty.

I've really been thinking about this a lot lately, and one of the things I'm beginning to realize is when it's a competition against myself, I can only fully motivate myself to get going on the task when it's something I'm truly enjoying. For me, after a month of this, I was no longer enjoying poker nearly as much as I used to. I think that this factor, combined with some cold spells I encountered during the middle of the quest, made it difficult.

Also, another factor that I think was very important in my first half being very different from the second half was my competitive spirit with others -- Ulysses, most specifically. Not many people know this, but while the UlyQuest was going on, we were in nearly daily PM correspondence about our progress and Ulysses kept me up-to-date on how his playing was going too. Over this period of time, I knew his exact results, and in addition to competing with myself, I had his winnings and figures to compete against. Moreover, on multiple occasions he had very sage things to say along the way. Having him there almost as a mentor was undoubtedly just as beneficial to me as it is for a rookie athlete being drafted onto a savvy veteran's team. I could say a lot of the same things about James282, who agreed to partake in the challenge over a 30 day stretch but had to cut it short due to moving. While he was in it, we kept each other abreast via AIM and thanks to the competitive fire both of us likely played significantly more hours than we would have without the competition and motivation from the other player, so to speak. There's nobody to blame but myself for this, but I honestly think that knowing others were temporarily competing against me was more important in forcing me to play long hours than me simply trying to make the goal for myself. As correspondence with both these players ceased, my own playing took a similar dive. It's a personality fault of my own, and I'm man enough to admit it. When combining the lack of enjoyment, with a lack of direct outside competition down the stretch, I had the makings for some tough waters.

Furthermore, most things in life have come relatively easily for me. This goal, at all junctures of it, has been a challenge. As I sunk further from "pace," I know I got frustrated, and I know I panicked at the thought of failure. Additionally, going through a losing streak is one thing -- but doing so AND having to broadcast your struggles publicly is entirely different. Especially for someone not accustomed to failure. I believe this set of thoughts is what inspired me to play some 15/30 tables. From what I've read and heard, and even from what I've seen while playing these tables – a good player can earn far more from 15/30 fulls than 10/20 shorts. It was my perceived sense of desperation that led me to these games, in an effort to try to make up some ground -- and it was probably these games that marked the final gravestone for my challenge. I had some past experience with 15/30 fulls on Party, but definitely not enough to warrant it being a good idea to change to them in the middle of crunch time. A sense of invincibility also contributed to this sudden change of gears, as until my 15/30 fiasco I've never met a losing streak when moving up in limits.

All of this said there've been many questions asked by many people about whether I'd consider playing poker professionally. From the tone of my later journals, even if I've never directly stated an answer I think it's fairly apparent I would refuse to turn professional for anything other than a part time basis with part time hours. One of my beliefs and aspirations in life is to find a career where I enjoy waking up for it, and will continue to enjoy it day-after-day. I cannot bare the thought of doing something day-after-day, as my career, that'd I'd grow tired of. Before beginning this quest, I assumed I would probably not want to be a full-time poker professional -– yet, I wanted to know for sure since playing the game is something I've loved. I am glad I've had the chance to pursue this opportunity, and I'm glad I can complete it while knowing that for me, poker is a better "fully committed hobby" or if need be, "temporary source of income between jobs," than an actual job/career.

I liken comparing this to some of my experiences early in high school: As a few of you know (and many of you don't know), I was once the editor-in-chief (and co-owner) of a website which during its most popular phases received upwards of 250,000 visitors per month. From about 7th grade on to about the middle of 11th grade, I put hours into it nearly every day. Most days, I would get home from after school activities either at 5:30 (if I was lucky), 7:30 (typical), or even later some nights, especially on the nights when I had a baseball game both for the school team and a traveling team. Especially in the last couple years of this website project, most nights involved working on the site's content until midnightish or later, and then finally starting on homework, with a typical bedtime between 2-3:30am, before getting up at 6:30am the next day.

Around the time of my high school graduation, I learned from a counselor that along with one other kid, I had taken the most AP classes/tests in our entire graduating class (I cannot recall if that number was 10 or 11, nor do I recall care since that isn't the point). Yet somehow, despite what I think can pass as a challenging school workload, I continued to do the website work without letting it or the lack of sleep get to me. Comparatively with poker, I couldn’t. I think this experience in "journalism" (in quotes because I would only partially qualify what I did back then as pure journalism) shows what one is willing to put themselves through if they're doing something they are truly deriving enjoyment out of. With poker in the present day, I couldn't. With journalism in the past, I could. For this reason, amongst many others, I assert that if I am to devote countless hours doing "work," I would much prefer the hours being spent on something I am also enjoying.

Bringing everything I've said a little more about-circle, I think I'm plenty at fault for coming up short in my goal, yet at the same time was able to realize in the middle of this quest that some of my priorities were changing as a result of no longer enjoying poker as much as I used to (admittedly, in part due to waning results). In the end, I believe that since I had bagged a reasonable sum of money, that I placed more immediate value in maximizing my summer enjoyment EV. I guess it'll remain to be seen whether this choice of only considering the effective odds was wise, or if I should have taken more consideration into the implied odds of sticking out the quest a little harder towards the end... That'll be for me to find out when the day comes, if it ever comes. Mainly though, I presently have zero regrets about taking on this challenge, doing it publicly, and then decreasing my effort down the stretch.

I know in my last set of journals there were plenty of debates about topics similar to what I've discussed a little in this conclusion. Both sides have solid merits, and I have nothing new or exciting to add to either. Instead, I'd like to close out my journals with three quotes that vary in relevance towards each side of the debate that occurred, since there are smarter people than me who can say so much more by saying so little. I cannot think of any better way to conclude than by trying to apply these philosophies to both life and poker playing:

"If two teams are the same in physical ability and mental ability, it's the team with pride that wins." – Vince Lombardi (yes, it pains me to quote a Packer. Silence please!)

"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead, where there is no path and leave a trail." – Ralph Waldo Emerson

"Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." – Gandhi


Thank you all for reading and commenting along the way!

Total for Day 60: $20
Grand Total: $31,366.08/$60,000, in approximately 235.6 hours of logged playing hours


All Past Journals, Linked
Intro and Day 1 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=684580&Forum =,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=5&Limit= 25&Main=684580&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&datera nge=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bod yprev=#Post684580)
Day 2 and Day 3 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=687924&Forum =,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=4&Limi t=25&Main=687924&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&date range=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&b odyprev=#Post687924)
Day 4 and Day 5 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=691638&Forum =,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=4&Limi t=25&Main=691638&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&date range=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&b odyprev=#Post691638)
Day 6 and Day 7 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=696812&Forum =,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=3&Li mit=25&Main=696812&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&da terange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype= &bodyprev=#Post696812)
Day 8 and Day 9 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=701251&Forum =,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=2& Limit=25&Main=701251&Search=true&where=&Name=4677& daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertyp e=&bodyprev=#Post701251)
Day 10 and Day 11 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=704321&Forum =,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=2& Limit=25&Main=704321&Search=true&where=&Name=4677& daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertyp e=&bodyprev=#Post704321)
Day 12 and Day 13 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=708970&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage= 1&Limit=25&Main=708970&Search=true&where=&Name=467 7&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldert ype=&bodyprev=#Post708970)
Day 14 and Day 15 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=714517&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpag e=0&Limit=25&Main=714517&Search=true&where=&Name=4 677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&olde rtype=&bodyprev=#Post714517)
Day 16 and Day 17 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=718612&Forum =,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=5&Limit= 25&Main=718612&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&datera nge=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bod yprev=#Post718612)
Day 18 and Day 19 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=722051&Forum =,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=5&Limit= 25&Main=722051&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&datera nge=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bod yprev=#Post722051)
Day 20 and Day 21 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=726950&Forum =,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=5&Limit= 25&Main=726950&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&datera nge=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bod yprev=#Post726950)
Day 22 and Day 23 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=732145&Forum =,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=4&Limit=25 &Main=732145&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&daterang e=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyp rev=#Post732145)
Day 24 and Day 25 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=735351&Forum =,,,,All_Forums,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=3&Limit=25&M ain=735351&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&daterange= &newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodypre v=#Post735351)
Day 26 and Day 27 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=741122&Forum =,,,,All_Forums,,,,&Words=&Searchpage=3&Limit=25&M ain=741122&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&daterange= &newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodypre v=#Post741122)
Day 28 and Day Mulligan (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=748014&Forum =,,All_Forums,,&Words=&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Main= 748014&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&daterange=&new erval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#P ost748014)
Day 30 and Day 31 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=750764&Forum =,All_Forums,&Words=&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=75 0764&Search=true&where=&Name=4677&daterange=&newer val=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Pos t750764)
Day 32 and Day 33 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=755278&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,&Words=&Searchpag e=10&Limit=25&Main=755278&Search=true&where=&Name= 4677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&old ertype=&bodyprev=#Post755278)
Day 34 and Day 35 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=761146&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,&Words=&Searchp age=9&Limit=25&Main=761146&Search=true&where=&Name =4677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&ol dertype=&bodyprev=#Post761146)
Day 36 and Day 37 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=765977&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,&Words=&Searchp age=9&Limit=25&Main=765977&Search=true&where=&Name =4677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&ol dertype=&bodyprev=#Post765977)
Day 38 and Day 39 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=769294&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,&Words=&Searc hpage=8&Limit=25&Main=769294&Search=true&where=&Na me=4677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=& oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post769294)
Day 40 and Day 41 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=773971&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,&Words=&Searc hpage=8&Limit=25&Main=773971&Search=true&where=&Na me=4677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=& oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post773971)
Day 42 and Day 43 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=779620&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,&Words=&Sea rchpage=7&Limit=25&Main=779620&Search=true&where=& Name=4677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval =&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post779620)
Days 44, 45, and 46 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=785387&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,&Words=&S earchpage=6&Limit=25&Main=785387&Search=true&where =&Name=4677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderv al=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post785387)
Day 47 and Day 48 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=791359&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,&Words= &Searchpage=5&Limit=25&Main=791359&Search=true&whe re=&Name=4677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&olde rval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post791359)
Days 49, 50, 51, and 52 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=802397&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,&Word s=&Searchpage=4&Limit=25&Main=802397&Search=true&w here=&Name=4677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=&ol derval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post802397)
Day 53 and Day 54 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=816168&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,&Wo rds=&Searchpage=3&Limit=25&Main=816168&Search=true &where=&Name=4677&daterange=&newerval=&newertype=& olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post816168)
Days 55, 56, and 57 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=824887&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,&Words=&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Main=824887&Search= true&where=&Name=4677&daterange=&newerval=&newerty pe=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post824887)
Day 58 and Day 59 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=holdem&Number=828874&Forum =,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,All_Forums,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,&Words=&Searchpage=1&Limit=25&Main=828874&Search= true&where=&Name=4677&daterange=&newerval=&newerty pe=&olderval=&oldertype=&bodyprev=#Post828874)

Sully
07-16-2004, 07:20 PM
Great job Schneids! Thanks for the effort. A quick question regarding your final tally:

Grand Total: $31,366.08/$60,000, in approximately 235.6 hours of logged playing hours

When you say 235.6 "logged playing hours", is this a PokerTracker number, or a number you kept every time you set down to the computer?

If it's out of PokerTracker, are you using the "Hours" number from the Session Summary, or are you using the hours figure from the "True Win Rate" line? In other words, is one hour at a single table the same as one hour spent multitabling four tables? Or is it 25%? (Hope that makes sense)

I'm attempting to play a certain amount per month as a "part-timer", and this would be a really handy number to have.


Again, great job, and good luck in the future.

Schneids
07-16-2004, 07:24 PM
My 235.6 is based on what I right down on paper as my start and stop times. So, definitely far from total table hours, and probably a little less than the "true win rate" line hours (being that some of my time is spent changing tables). And from that, a rough estimation since some days 57 minutes becomes one hour, etc.

Baulucky
07-16-2004, 07:34 PM
Thanks again for being so open, and for setting an example of what can be done.

Michael Davis
07-16-2004, 07:34 PM
Schneids,

Over the 60 days, your log read like literature rather than a dry, boring diary as most of these things tend to be. You kept things interesting the entire way and deserve congratulations on your efforts.

-Michael

Cosimo
07-16-2004, 07:38 PM
[ QUOTE ]
Sticking to a turn plan: UTG limps, CO raises, button calls, I 3-bet from my SB with AsAd, UTG calls, CO caps, all call. 2s2d9c flop; I bet, all call. Turn Jd; I check, UTG checks, CO bets, button raises, I 3-bet, 2 folds, button caps, I call. Ok, now what? Can someone guess his hand? River 4s; I check, CO bets, I call, and button shows Js9s and I take the pot. I wonder if betting the river was the right play or if it's close enough that it doesn't matter. I didn't think he had a 2, but 99 (and to an extent, JJ) are both possibilities as well.

[/ QUOTE ]

Note: you have the CO folding on the turn but then betting the river. I presume it was the button betting the river?

Disclaimer: I'm a sucky poker noob.

I put the button on J9. He calls the whole way, the flop is passive, but he comes alive on the turn. I think JJ would have reraised PF, 99 would have raised the flop, and 92/J2/22/A2 would not have called cold preflop. The reraise screamed "top two pair" to me somehow. When the river comes blank, I think MHIG.

My question is: why do you think he has 99 or JJ? What's the line for 99 on the button in this hand? What are these players likely to do with 99 on the button? (Serious questions, btw.)

Ulysses
07-16-2004, 08:01 PM
1) I don't think it's uncommon at all to find it much, much harder to pursue a goal like this without someone to compete with unless it's something you truly love. It's just like exercising. Many of us can push ourselves to a certain degree when doing it alone. But if exercising w/ a partner, the competition helps us push things to another level.

2) I am one of many that agree w/ you that poker, especially online, can be very boring.

3) So what the hell did I have in that AA hand?

Schneids
07-16-2004, 08:16 PM
Yeah, I meant it to be button betting the river.


And yeah, J9 was meant to be a logical choice, however, given the cap at some point I have to reconsider the possibility that 99 cold called preflop. FWIW, I expect 99 to call on the flop more often to raise. Additionally, there are plenty of opponents in this game who'll cold call with A2 or A2s, as well as 22 (22 is a small enough possibility though that I'll neglect to include it).

As for 99 on the button, I'd say it's split about half and half in this game between people who'll cold call with it or 3-bet with it.

I do think there's plenty of merit for betting the river and calling a raise.

Schneids
07-16-2004, 08:17 PM
[ QUOTE ]

3) So what the hell did I have in that AA hand?

[/ QUOTE ]

QJ; though I consider the result irrelevent since your check should tell me MHIG.

Ulysses
07-16-2004, 08:41 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

3) So what the hell did I have in that AA hand?

[/ QUOTE ]

QJ; though I consider the result irrelevent since your check should tell me MHIG.

[/ QUOTE ]

Sweet. That's what I put me on. You suckout fish.

PS: irrelevant.

Schneids
07-16-2004, 11:28 PM
[ QUOTE ]
You suckout fish.


[/ QUOTE ]

That's what I do best /images/graemlins/grin.gif

nykenny
07-16-2004, 11:50 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
You suckout fish.


[/ QUOTE ]

That's what I do best /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

u indeed do that better than i do cause i sucked out less than you did in the last 60 days /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

davidross
07-17-2004, 12:42 AM
Hey Buddy,

I hope you don't walk away from this feeling like you failed. I'm pretty sure you don't have many classmates who made $140/hr at their summer jobs. Your hourly rate is higher than mine at 15/30 so I'm in awe.

It's clear from your writing that your head is in the right place. You will find success no matter what you choose to do in the years to come. I'm glad you have no plans to pursue poker full time right now. THere is plenty of time for that later if you choose to do it.

Good luck to you. It's been fun to read.

ps. I think you should just try 60 more days /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Jimbobobb
07-17-2004, 02:56 AM
I'm sorry to see your quest at an end sir. Your progress was impressive and your journals have been something I've looked forward to reading daily for the last 2 months. While you didn't reach your goal, you made an amount of money I would consider near amazing and didn't give up despite some burnout and parental pressure. I've been impressed with your writing skills throughout your journals, and I'm sure you'll do well at the University of Minnesota. Good luck to you.

jasonHoldEm
07-17-2004, 02:58 AM
schneids,

You might not have reached your target, but that doesn't mean you failed...all that crap is just numbers anyways. I've really enjoyed reading your journal, keep up the good work.

Peace,
J

Danenania
07-17-2004, 05:25 AM
Hey Schneids, really fantastic journals. I enjoyed them a lot. I think it's better to not always achieve the goal. Keeps you hungry. Good work.

Rudbaeck
07-17-2004, 10:29 AM
I came to these boards recently, and have been following your quest. It's been a source of inspiration for this fledgling player. And the writing, musings and thoughts around the game, the lifestyle and problems with motivation have been a joy to read.

I'm still at the 0.5/1 tables, having wet dreams about your kind of success. But my play has first deteriorated and then started improving after I found 2+2. Before coming here I was a weak tight player with modest success, and while trying to improve my aggression I've many a times stepped well into the maniac role. But it's getting better, and it's always nice to see that there IS a juicy carrot at the end of the race, and that carrot is alot more feasible than the WSOP-champ-carrot that all other 0.5/1 players seem to have.

Thank you!

dogmeat
07-17-2004, 11:40 AM
I think you did fantastic. Few set goals, but even fewer reach them. The fact that you knew where you wanted to get and fell short is not what is important. What is important is that you tried, and from my computer chair you did great. Don't consider your quest a failure, consider it a successful adventure that fell a bit short.

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nykenny
07-17-2004, 03:08 PM
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I hope you don't walk away from this feeling like you failed. I'm pretty sure you don't have many classmates who made $140/hr at their summer jobs. Your hourly rate is higher than mine at 15/30 so I'm in awe.

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schneids,

dave is right, u have succeeded, at least in completing the quest /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

oh, btw, dave or mike, how do i find out my winrate at 15/30 in PT?

thanks.

Kenny

arkady
07-17-2004, 05:57 PM
Awesome job and great piece of writing, really looked forward to reading them when I came into work in the mornings - just to show you how good they were...or how bad my job is? Either way, one word: awesome.

Blarg
07-17-2004, 06:21 PM
Great conclusion to my favorite thread on 2+2 since I started browing it a few months ago.

Congratulations on the 30k, on learning about yourself and your game along the way, and on having the guts to post about it all. I really doubt I'd have the guts to commit to publicly posting a quest like this, as taking beats is hard enough when nobody knows about it, but broadcasting them to the planet must be really rough.

Best of luck! And your name on a thread has become for me a strong recommendation to check it out.

VeraN
07-17-2004, 07:31 PM
Great job with the quest, I'm sure you've inspired a lot of other players to create their own goals whether if it's just to make 25 dollars per day or 1000 per week. I was wondering how you were going to deposit the money. I understand from our conversation we had in the past that you've always stressed that you should never cash out because you always want to build your roll. Obviously you can keep several thousand in your roll to sustain a reasonable bank roll, but I'm wondering how much of it you are going to cash out, and if you are going to get a huge check all at once, or small checks in small intervals. Tax is another thing I am curious about.

jwvdcw
07-17-2004, 08:39 PM
I still think the 'mulligan' takes away from your performance, but you did an admirable job overall and it was entertaining to read. Good job.

Schneids
07-18-2004, 01:37 AM
As a final note to anyone who has ever responded to a journal of mine, thank you very much both for your positive words, and often being willing to give critical advice and feedback in a very constructive manner. It was always a lot of fun to check in and see what people had to say.

Thank you,
Mike

47outs
07-18-2004, 04:38 AM
Excellent work throughout the past 60 days. Although I didn't read every update, I did follow along during your quest. I anxiously awaited your conclusion and wasn't disappointed. Thanks for sharing your experiences with us.

Good luck,

Outs

pretender2k
07-18-2004, 04:52 AM
$133/hr not bad.

J_V
07-18-2004, 07:34 AM
Huge fan of the posts.

wop squad
07-19-2004, 09:48 AM
i am not sure why you seem a little down on your quest. In my opinion the results were quite good. Under 4 hours a day playing time, profit of $30,000 + in 2 months, i'm impressed.

lil'
07-19-2004, 03:22 PM
Schneids,

Again, nice work over the last 60 days, and the reports were top notch stuff.

I have often found that when the game stops being fun, it becomes a real drag. You can even finish a 2 hour session up 50 BB and become bitchy because you could have won 60 BB if that SOB didn't suck out on you. And, of course, when it's not fun and you lose, it really stinks.

However, when it IS fun, it's great to have such an exciting and profitable hobby.

playerfl
07-19-2004, 05:27 PM
"One of the first and most immediate questions on my mind is: Where did I go wrong?"

Its pretty obvious you came up WAY short on your playing time. I figure you needed at least another 100 hours.

I get the feeling that writing this journal was much more important than playing poker, which is probably a good thing.

Yeti
07-19-2004, 06:33 PM
Firstly, congratulations on the 30k.

Secondly, thanks for taking the time to write the journal (I was especially glad that you had the sense to link to all the past updates). I've been really inspired by your quest and have enjoyed reading every journal entry I've seen so far.

Any chance of a quick bio of your poker playing career? Any books you'd recommend that help in the 6 handed fixed games? I'm primarily a NL MTT man but having dabbled in the short handed I appreciate the challenge they present and would like to become more involved.

Once again, congratulations.

4thstreetpete
07-19-2004, 08:24 PM
hello Schneids. Just wanted to let you know that I thoroughly enjoyed reading your journal.

If you haven't seen me before that's because this is my very first post. After reading about your quest you have inspired me to register and take part in this wonderful forum.

I don't confess to know all their is to know about poker and sometimes I'm concerned that I may post something that that the poker experts here will disagree with seeing as there are plenty of very knowledeable players here. However I have been a lifetime winner in both cash and tournament games both in the online and B&M environment so hopefully I can make a positive contribution to this great community.

I want to keep this short so first I'd like to say congratulations. I didn't read the whole journal but from what I read it was quite well written. I especially found your conflicts with your mom quite interesting mainly because I can relate.

Again, I would like to congratulate you and wish you well and continue what you are doing. I'm 29 now but I started playing poker when I was 19 and did phenomenal. I don't think the internet was around then, if it was it was nothing like it is today and I had not known about internet poker until very recently. I don't want to bore you with my life story but I had to stop playing poker for many years for so many reasons (too much time with my girl mainly). I just started playing again within the last few months.

It's excellent that you are 20 and doing so well, so don't quit!!! Had I continue at the pace that I was playing at when I was 19 in the B&M's I would be a multimillionaire today.

I play mainly online nowadays at limits 15/30 and up, playing part time while working full time. Needless to say I make way more playing poker than my 'real' job. I feel like I haven't lost a step ever since I was 19.

Good job and continue what you are doing. I'm writing this because I envy you and wished that internet poker was around when I was 19. Hopefully one day we will see you at the WSOP.

KingSix
07-22-2004, 07:46 PM
Schneids--

Thanks for all the posts. You helped me think about my game in so many ways, and it was an enjoyable read. A double winner in my book. Your tales of "journalism" brought me back to my days writing for my college newspaper...I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed that. Thanks.

I think that you touched on a few points that may point to some reasons why some great poker players are so destructive in their lives. Often after getting your head smashed against a wall for a week or so, a pro has to get up the next day and walk right back up to that wall and act like the previous beat down didn't even happen. It can be the toughest part of playing for a living.....returning to the site of your previous days' massacre.

It has taken a ton of work on my part to do that when I'm running bad because I don't have that type of personality. Even so, it is tough for me to do on a regular basis without some deep meditation and thought.

King

theBruiser500
07-23-2004, 11:11 AM
$140 an hour is great, but it's worth noting it's not really that high. All the previous time you spent learning the game (which you may or may not want to count) but something which I don't think can be ignored is all the time you spend on 2+2 keeping your game in good shape.

MrDannimal
07-23-2004, 12:15 PM
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1) I don't think it's uncommon at all to find it much, much harder to pursue a goal like this without someone to compete with unless it's something you truly love. It's just like exercising. Many of us can push ourselves to a certain degree when doing it alone. But if exercising w/ a partner, the competition helps us push things to another level.


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Too true. Last spring, I told myself I wanted to run a marathon (the Detroit Marathon is late October about 40 minutes from me).

I got out running less than 10 times last summer. I had no motivation, nobody to answer to if I didn't.

This spring, I signed up for a running class, and after that a marathon training class. Group runs twice a week and one solo run in between.

I'm running 20 miles a week now, and I've only missed runs twice due to injury (usually trying to prevent one from getting worse).

Having other people involved is invaluable. Even if it's just that you know someone is putting a checkmark by your name (even if it doesn't mean anything at the end), it helps.

I get up at 5:30 AM on Saturdays to go run at 6:30. I don't get up at 5:30 during the week, and you'd have to have some money on the table to get me to do it under most circumstances. Crazy.