JJ UTG+1

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This seems obvious, but let me ask.

JJ UTG+1, 8 players left, stacks pretty even. Play has been pretty tight. 20+2 SNG, level 3, you have not yet had to show down a hand but have stolen or won without showdown a lot. People seem to have noticed as the table is talkative. You raise to T200 (blinds 25-50), folded to the BB who thinks and goes all in. He has you covered, you are average stack with 1150 and nobody is over 1400 or under 800.

Fold?

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[BradleyT]

Easy fold.

JJ and TT are the two easiest pairs to lay down to a re-raise all in early on.

[caretaker1]

Some others may disagree, but, at level 3 with 8 players, I'm limping with JJ UTG+1 and playing it for the set. My $.02.

[Jason Strasser]

I think the blinds are worth stealing. You should raise. I like 200, I do 150, it doesn't matter.

When you get reraised, you are in small favorite, big dog territory. I suppose you will be a big dog a small part of the time, and if I had a note on the player in question which read "Action Fishy", I'd call. But against an avg opponent, easy fold. You have plenty of chips to be effective. Don't play these guessing games.

[Jason Strasser]

I may limp behind a very solid player with JJ, opting not to raise. But I disagree heavily with open limping. Very often you will get this hand 3-handed by open limping, and that is not what you want. With JJ, you want a huge multi-way pot (like 5-6 handed) so u can play set/fold, or you want it heads up. (or you want the blinds)

I don't limp here.

[PennDenn]

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I would call since no one has called you and he might be trying you. That is my $.02.

[PrayingMantis]

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level 3, you have not yet had to show down a hand but have stolen or won without showdown a lot.

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How come you have stolen *a lot* when it's only level 3? Do you play an overly loose-aggressive play in early rounds, and if so, why? What's the point in stealing a lot of blinds that are worth 20T?

This is not a criticism, I'm just asking.

If people are reading you as raising PF a lot (i.e, with all kinds of crap), well, the value of calling this all-in is much higher than in normal circumstances, because BB will be willing to push against you with a much bigger variety of hands than if you had played tight.

By folding here, you might very well fold in a significant +CEV spot. And here comes the main question: you played super-loose early on, and created an "action" image. But now, you have a chance to use it. If you fold, you are actually giving it up. So what did you achieve?

My point is, that by playing very LAG, you induce people to challange you with a big variety of hands. That can be advantagous for you, although risky. You brought yourself to this point. I think you probably have to take the risky way, since, IMO, there's a big chance BB is pushing against you here with a dog.

[JustTens]

I would always raise here because it makes the hand a much easier hand to play. If you raise and ace, king or queen hits the flop its easy to lay it down to agression. If under cards hit its an easy bet that will probably win you the pot then. As for calling the All-in... With the amount of chips you have if you layed the hand down you'd have enough to make some moves. Like everyone else said you're going to be 50/50 at best most of the time

[Cosimo]

In the SNGs I play (UB), the flop is often 5-handed if I open limp, and only 3-handed if I raise (to 3x BB). In the first couple levels, it might very well be 4-handed after I open-raise from UTG+1.

Overcards and any betting at all and I drop on the flop. Serious strength on the flop with undercards and I fold. I'm drawing for a set.

[caretaker1]

"With JJ, you want a huge multi-way pot (like 5-6 handed) so u can play set/fold, or you want it heads up. (or you want the blinds)" Jason, just some thoughts:

Doesn't limping encourage a multiway pot, particuarly with one caller already? If there were no raise, there would be an absolute minimum of three players.

At an 8 handed table, I don't want heads up JJ out of position (assuming my opponent isn't the inital caller). If overcards come, I likely fold and have wasted an extra 100-150 chips. If they don't, I don't know where I'm at (heads up in a raised pot).

75 chips doesn't seem worth stealing at this point.

If I choose the raise , when I get re-raised, what do I do? Muck the jacks and drop 150-200 (admittedly, there would still be enough chips to play with, but still chips are chips): this reminds me of, if my memory is right, of Sklansky's point about turning a good hand into a 72.

I'm interested in your opinion, maybe I'm missing something that I shouldn't be.

[Dominic]

He either has you beat with a higher PP or has overcards...why put yourself into a gamble at best by calling? There's plenty of time and you have plenty of chips.

Fold.

Okay, I guess he could have a lower PP, but why take the chance? I fold, show him and the rest of your table what you're folding, and for the rest of the SNG let everyone fear your raises!

[Marine139]

Penn you have to be joking. Maybe you want to piss away your chips on a 50/50 (coin flip) flop at best, but smart players wont. JJ is a nice hand but its not a great hand. There is a good chance that anyone going in has either over cards in which they need about 1 in 10 cards in the deck to fall on the flop, turn, and river. *Thats at best*. Theres always a good chance they would go in with an over pair, like he said it was a tight game.

Obviously the move here is to fold, maybe if u were near all-in gambling would be a better option. When you cant see or know your opponent online like you can in person gambling becomes less of an option. Suggesting that calling an all-in with JJ PRF shows poor judgment and on top of that your not even getting proper odds to justify a call, so judgment and math tells you no but gambling to get chips tells you yes?...I don't think so...gg

Marine

[Jason Strasser]

If the texture of your game plays a certain way, and you think you can get a large mutliway pot every time by limping in EP with JJ, then limp. But typically on party people tighten up by the 25/50 level at higher level sngs, and you will not be guaranteed a multiway pot. If you think that if you raise, you are likely to play this hand 3-4 handed, and you wont steal the blinds enough (and end up check/folding too much), then adjust I guess.

In my game I would never fathom open limping with JJ, but I guess it could be correct. There is usually too good of a chance my raise will take the blinds.