Call me the Downswing King! (A few hands) [Archive]

Stefan Prodan

07-15-2004, 05:43 PM

I started today around $1050. I was down to $820 or so earlier thanks to hands like the one I'm about to post, but now I'm back up to $940, playing $2/$4 on Party.

Here's some hands I could use advice with:

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: StefanProdan is UTG with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
StefanProdan raises, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls,

Flop: (12.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
BB checks, StefanProdan bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, BB folds.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
StefanProdan bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
StefanProdan bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 raises, StefanProdan calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB
Main Pot: 14.75 BB, between StefanProdan and MP2.

I was afraid of the three being around somewhere, but on the other hand I was having a hard time believing that a hand with a 3 in it would cold call me preflop. That's why I called down at the end. Should I have bailed as soon as he raised on the river, or was my final call good?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: StefanProdan is CO with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 3 folds, StefanProdan calls, Button raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, StefanProdan calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls, StefanProdan raises, Button 3-bets, SB calls, UTG+2 calls, StefanProdan caps, Button calls, SB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (13.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, StefanProdan checks, Button bets, SB calls, UTG+2 folds, StefanProdan calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, StefanProdan checks, Button bets, SB folds, StefanProdan folds.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB
Main Pot: 16.50 BB, won by Button.
Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to Button.

With three other people on the flop I'm trying to ram and jam. Good idea? Bad idea?

Once the nine hit the turn and I might have been up against a boat, should I have folded? I'm thinking no since the odds were so tremendous at that point.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: StefanProdan is UTG+1 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, StefanProdan raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls,

Flop: (10.50 SB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
BB checks, StefanProdan bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Button raises, BB folds, StefanProdan 3-bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Button caps, StefanProdan calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
StefanProdan checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

River: (11.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
StefanProdan checks, MP2 bets, Button folds, StefanProdan calls.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB
Main Pot: 13.75 BB, between StefanProdan and MP2.

How was my raise on the flop here? Too aggressive? I realize I could have been up against AJ, but I thought that was probably the only hand that wouldn't reraise me preflop. Otherwise I felt pretty safe about it. Once I got 4-bet, I was planning to check and fold the turn. I was a little surprised at what happened on the river, but I thought I might be ahead if the guy in front of me was trying to bluff there. Any thoughts?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: StefanProdan is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises, 2 folds, StefanProdan 3-bets, MP2 calls, 5 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG bets, StefanProdan raises, MP2 calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, StefanProdan bets, MP2 calls, UTG raises, StefanProdan calls, MP2 calls.

River: (14.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG bets, StefanProdan calls, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB
Main Pot: 16.25 BB, between UTG and StefanProdan.

When this turn card hit and I got raised, I was 90% sure of what I was up against. Yet I called anyway. I think the call may have been okay looking to get the K on the end, but I called on the river too. Is that too loose or would I be giving up too much if I folded?

I'll post results later.

Thanks guys.

colgin

07-15-2004, 06:04 PM

I only have time to look at one hand so here goes:

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Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: StefanProdan is UTG with A, A.
StefanProdan raises, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls,

Flop: (12.50 SB) Q, 9, 3 (6 players)
BB checks, StefanProdan bets, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, BB folds.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 3 (3 players)
StefanProdan bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 6 (3 players)
StefanProdan bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 raises, StefanProdan calls.

Final Pot: 14.75 BB
Main Pot: 14.75 BB, between StefanProdan and MP2.

I was afraid of the three being around somewhere, but on the other hand I was having a hard time believing that a hand with a 3 in it would cold call me preflop. That's why I called down at the end. Should I have bailed as soon as he raised on the river, or was my final call good?

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Now read carefully: The call on the river here is ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY!

Your getting almost 14:1 on your call closing the action. Your hand has to be good here less than around 7% of the time for your call to be correct. Plus, if you make big folds on th river people may start taking shots at you. Plus the board pairing low often helps an overpair like Aces because you are now ahead of someone with a lower two pair hand. Plus, your opponent may have waited until the river to raise with a hand like top pair here (not that I am advocating that here), which you beat. You must call.

I hope that helps.

All the best,

Colgin