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Jason Strasser
07-15-2004, 03:49 PM
Yes, I have a very wishy washy question. So if you don't like wishy washy questions, this post is not for you.

What is the future of sit and gos? Will we ever see them at casinos in a non-sattelite format? When will there be SNGs above $200 played regularly? I know stars offers $500 sngs, but they are rarely populated.

Just some wishy washy questions as I said. I'm just curious where all this stuff is heading...

gergery
07-15-2004, 04:24 PM
It’s all economics, my friend.

The casinos will all use some version of profit per table hour or profit per square foot of space. SNG’s are lower money than ring games, but yet don’t have the cachet or PR value of a giant payout like the MTTs do (which are advertising vehicles as much as revenue generators). Most B&M casinos don’t want to expand poker anyway, as its less profitable than other games – but that may be changing somewhat with the recent poker explosion.

This is less of a concern online where space is not a limiting factor, and where the cost of switching sites is lower.

--Greg

AtlBrvs4Life
07-15-2004, 04:29 PM
They have SNGs at some of the Seminole casino's around here. I think it's something like $115+$20. I watched a few and the play was horrible, but I haven't yet entered one. The fee seems a little bit high.

AleoMagus
07-15-2004, 04:39 PM
WSOP Single table Tournament Championship

100 single table tournament events with the top three paid and winner moving on to round two with 10 single table tournaments. Top three paid and the winners move on to the final single table tourney for top three paid again and the gold bracelet.

They will also be in casinos everywhere.

Who knows. I am probably dreaming but it would be cool. Maybe a different structure better than the one I am thinking of.

Regards
Brad S

Meatmaw
07-15-2004, 05:12 PM
You know what they need? video hold'em machines where players can walk up and sit at a table and join a SNG game against live players, but the casino has the computer mediating the game. Basically online play, but present. It'd offset the costs of employees and they only need to give up the casino space.

That'd rock. Think it'd ever happen? *beg*

AtlBrvs4Life
07-15-2004, 05:17 PM
Yea...

good idea

Meatmaw
07-15-2004, 05:33 PM
Totally. They could have a little flap cover on the tables so you could lift it to see your cards (so you're not exposed to passersby). It'd basically be the same as a real table but w/o the employee. You could even dress it up with a swivel panel that shows your chips and allows u make your actions. I'd so be up for developing this thing, and the first casino to announce $10 or $20 SNGs for the tourist would certainly draw a crowd. Whee!

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You know what they need? video hold'em machines where players can walk up and sit at a table and join a SNG game against live players, but the casino has the computer mediating the game. Basically online play, but present. It'd offset the costs of employees and they only need to give up the casino space.

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AleoMagus
07-15-2004, 06:44 PM
Computer mediated play like this could even tap into online play if there was few players.

This is to say that you could be playing against players at sister casinos or maybe at existing online sites.

I know so many live players who are leery about depositing online and learning the pitfalls of online gambling, but who would probably be willing to slide a $20 bill into a machine when they are out gambling anyways.

The online sites would probably be willing to treat the live casinos as affiliates in this regard and there is where the profit might be derived. More likely, the casinos themselves would just own the sites where they would access online play.

I hope things like this happen becasue it will increase the number of sng players, but I'd pretty much never use them. If I want to play poker live, I want to play poker live.

Regards
Brad S

Meatmaw
07-15-2004, 06:47 PM
I have never played poker live in a casino, so I guess I'm totally underqualified to say this, but the main things that make me not dying to go are:

1) tipping the dealers (in tourneys too)
2) higher part of buyin going to house for tourneys
3) trouble of bothering to go
4) slower rate of hands

#4 would be alleviated by this and let me watch for physical tells. It might even make the house charge less to use them, I'd think. I'd definitely like that, but then maybe I'm missing something about live play that makes it so much better in the traditional paradigm.

cferejohn
07-15-2004, 08:45 PM
Sit-n-goes just aren't very profitable for casinos. You have players (and dealers) waiting around for it to start, and you end up with a table that has 2 or 3 players on it while (usually) there are lists for table games a mile long. I mean, imagine a scenario where 3 or 4 tables all have 2-6 players at them in the mid-to-late stages of a sit-n-go, there are no free tables, and there are players waiting for a seat. Umm no.

Sit n goes are really best suited for online play, where opening up another table has no overhead. Most of the regular sit-n-go crowd above the $30 or so level seems to have moved over to party for the faster structure. I'm surprisd they haven't offered $500 tables; given how fast the $200s filled, I'm sure they would have customers...

stupidsucker
07-15-2004, 09:04 PM
I dont think SnGs would be all that profitable for the players live either.The rake would be higher then online and the play would be much slower.

I like SnGs because they are fast and low bankroll dependant. I can fire up 4 ata time and start another when one dies. I just dont see playing one of these that will probably take 2 hours to finish for a higher vig, and I can obviously only play 1 ata time.

I would need to be playing 1 200+xx game live every 2 hours to make the same $/hour as playing the 20+2's. I think this is understating as well. I just dont see the format working well live for anyone.

SnGs to me is internetmade/friendly only.

Patrick del Poker Grande
07-16-2004, 01:57 PM
Are you seriously putting this forward? It's hard to tell. At any rate, I would not go to a casino to do this.

stupidsucker
07-16-2004, 02:07 PM
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I put my pants on one leg at a time like the rest of you. Except that once my pants are on, I make gold records.

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BradleyT
07-16-2004, 02:26 PM
When I was at the Plaza in Vegas they had a few tournament flyers laying around. One of them was for a sit n go type tournament ($30+$3 I think) that would start "when there was enough interest". I think it said max 20 players.

TylerD
07-16-2004, 02:26 PM
It already exists, x amount of tables all play down to one winner who moves to the final. here (http://www.pokerpages.com/tournament/result8727.htm) are the 2004 results, there is also a limit event. The "shootout" format is also the most popular format for televised poker in Britain.

ML4L
07-16-2004, 05:53 PM
All I know is that you've managed to misuse the term "wishy-washy."

Stupid engineer... /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Mike