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Mr. D
07-14-2004, 02:49 PM
Here are several hands I marked as potential leaks during a run of SNGs. Im curious to know if they seem like leaks or just bad luck.

This first one I ended up with a free play in the blind against a solid player. He tricked me into thinking my queen with a weak kicker was good when I had no chance.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t355)
Hero (t1115)
UTG (t1655)
MP (t975)
CO (t1610)
Button (t2290)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, MP folds, CO folds, Button calls t50, SB folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t125) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t125) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero bets t125, Button raises to t250, Hero calls t125.

River: (t625) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button bets t200, Hero calls t200.

Final Pot: t1025

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows 3c Qh (two pair, queens and twos).
Button shows 5s 5h (full house, fives full of twos).
Outcome: Button wins t1025. </font>

This one is another free play in the BB. I flop top pair, good kicker and run into a set of deuces.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed)

Hero (t1145)
UTG (t1295)
MP1 (t860)
MP2 (t670)
CO (t2345)
Button (t480)
SB (t1205)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t100, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls t100, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t400) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero bets t400, UTG folds, Button calls t380 (All-In), SB folds.

Turn: (t1180) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t1180) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1180

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows 7d Qd (two pair, queens and sevens).
Button shows 2h 2c (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: Button wins t1160. Hero wins t20. </font>

This next one I try to steal and then fire another barrel at a ragged flop and get called. Having resolved to do so in advance, I give up on the turn for a tiny bet. Bad fold? Bad steal?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed)

Hero (t1520)
MP1 (t1695)
MP2 (t230)
CO (t900)
Button (t1495)
SB (t655)
BB (t1505)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises to t150, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls t150, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (t375) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero bets t375, Button calls t375.

Turn: (t1125) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button bets t100, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1225

Results in white below: <font color="white">
No showdown. Button wins t1225. </font>

This next one I end up making a good laydown on the end, but I'm not sure about my bet on the turn and if I should have suspected a bluff on the end.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed)

Hero (t2075)
CO (t1570)
Button (t930)
SB (t50)
BB (t1670)
UTG (t1070)
MP1 (t635)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, MP1 calls t30, Hero calls t30, CO calls t30, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (t135) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets t80, CO calls t80, BB folds, MP1 calls t80.

Turn: (t375) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero bets t100, CO calls t100, MP1 calls t100.

River: (t675) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
MP1 bets t30, Hero calls t30, CO raises to t600, MP1 calls t395 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1730

Results in white below: <font color="white">
MP1 shows 6d 7d (two pair, jacks and sevens).
CO shows 5d 5s (full house, fives full of jacks).
Outcome: CO wins t1730. </font>

This one I push w/ 88 UTG when my stack is 6BB. This is standard procedure as far as I've read around here.. but it cost me the tourney, so I included it:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed)

Hero (t615)
MP (t2035)
Button (t580)
SB (t2861)
BB (t1909)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero raises to t615 (All-In), MP folds, Button calls t580 (All-In), SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: (t1345) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t1345) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t1345) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1345

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero shows 8d 8h (two pair, jacks and eights).
Button shows Qd Ah (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: Button wins t1310. Hero wins t35. </font>

Alright.. last one. I limp in middle position with T9s. Is this a leaky play in itself? Anyways . . I catch a gutshot w/ 2 overcards.. which is fairly strong hand according to HPFAP. So I play it agressively and end up losing a good chunk of my nice stack and then go on to make the dreaded 4th:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed)

Hero (t995)
MP1 (t485)
MP2 (t1520)
MP3 (t730)
CO (t490)
Button (t595)
SB (t570)
BB (t1608)
UTG (t1007)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, Hero calls t30, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB bets t30, BB calls t30, Hero calls t30, Button calls t30.

Turn: (t240) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB bets t30, BB folds, Hero raises to t120, Button folds, SB calls t90.

River: (t480) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
SB bets t30, Hero calls t30.

Final Pot: t540

Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB shows 6c 6h (three of a kind, sixes).
Hero shows Tc 9c (one pair, tens).
Outcome: SB wins t540. </font>

So thats it. I'm looking for criticism here so let me have it. Like a sieve or what?

stupidsucker
07-14-2004, 04:03 PM
Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, Q.

This is a mistake I run into myself sometimes, and for me it comes from bad reads. his raise on the turn can mean you have fallen for the slowplay(like you did) or just as often it can just be an aggressive play at the pot , and he may have the T only. Sometimes I get cocky and call it down like you did thinking I have him beat, but not wanting to push. Your opponent did a good job of value betting and not scaring you away. laying this down is a good idea your kicker is just crap, but I would be a liar to say I havent made the same mistake.


Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, Q.

I think you played this fine. Top pair good kicker, 2 limpers decent sized pot. The board is a rainbow without a threat that I can see. I probably would have pushed instead, but the results would be the same, and my pushing might be wrong a little too aggressive.


Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, Q.

Your first mistake is trying to steal from UTG with 7 players. I wouldnt even limp here, I muck this preflop. That cold call on the button scares me too. You just should have check/folded on the flop. At least you layed down on the turn.


Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, T

Again the biggest mistake I see is preflop. This is a very marginal hand and its only level 2. Only one limper in front. I lay this down preflop, but limping is accepted by a lot of people IF you play the flop right. You arent looking for top pair with this hand, you are only looking for a cheap draw or to flop a monster. 2 calls on the flop, its time to stop investing in this hand, so your turn bet was not needed at all.

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8, 8.

Perfect. cant do anything else imo but push preflop

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T, 9.


Again I say muck it preflop. The flop call was fine imo.. min bet called woth overcards and an inside. The turn is iffy, you tried to buy it there with top pair and still the inside. The cheap river call was fine. I dont think this was that bad other then getting involved in the first place.

I hope this helps. I responded because I am curious as always how I add up to what the others will say about my plays.

Mr. D
07-14-2004, 04:22 PM
Thanks for the great analysis. Looks like I should tighten up a little further on the early levels and be more apt to back off when I make a strong bet with a medium hand and get called, especially by more than one person. Its so hard though with the crap you see people making calls with on a regular basis. I guess that falls under avoiding close decisions and stack variance when the blinds are small.

Thanks again!

Sam T.
07-14-2004, 04:52 PM
Hand One (Q3o in BB):
In this case, I'll often bet out - here I'd bet the pot. There are no draws, so if he hasn't got me beat, odds are good that he'll fold. Once he calls, I'm pretty close to done with the hand - you represented a Queen, and he said, "I don't care." (This strategy doesn't work against calling stations.) When he re-raises the turn, I'm folding. Unless he's a maniac, whatever he's got is better than what I've got.

Hand Two (Q7s): Seems okay to me.

Hand Three (QJs):
It is tough to steal UTG. (I'm not saying don't raise, just that it's not a steal. I'd probably try to limp.) I hate button's play here. He calls big raises and then makes a weak-ass t100 bet to steal the pot? And you fold? Granted he might beat your Q-high, but he may also have been bluffing a busted str8 draw. A good player (not me), might come back over the top.

Hand Four (JTs): You're playing this hand for the str8 or flush, not the pair with a lousy kicker. A t80 bet isn't going to get many people to fold, so I think you either need to go bigger to see where you are, or shut it down. I don't understand the bet on the turn. With two opponents hanging around, you have to think that there is a chance that a King puts one of them ahead of you. Two callers? I'm done...until I make my set. The t30 bet is unnerving. I call, of course, but the action behind you is truly frightening, and it was a good fold.

Hand five (88): Ja, ja, sehr gut.

Hand six (T9s): I have no problem with limping here, but you do not, in fact, play it aggressively - you call a tiny bet on the flop. It you think it's a strong hand, bet it. You wouldn't mind taking the hand down now, and you've got some outs.