HC5831
07-14-2004, 02:41 AM
Here’s an update on my progress. Feel free to bounce your #’s against mine. Most of the games are from Party.
10+1 NLHE – 100 tourneys
1st: 18
2nd: 13
3rd: 16
4th: 15
$5.10/tourney
ROI: 46%
In the $: 47%
20+2 NLHE – 100 tourneys
1st: 17
2nd: 11
3rd: 14
4th: 13
$7.20/tourney
ROI: 32%
In the $: 42%
30+3 NLHE – 100 tourneys
1st: 18
2nd: 13
3rd: 15
4th: 10
$15.30/tourney
ROI: 46%
In the $: 46%
50+5 NLHE – 178 tourneys (2 tables at once)
1st: 31
2nd: 25
3rd: 30
4th: 16
$26.46/tourney
ROI: 48%
In the $: 48%
50+5 NLHE – 100 tourneys (3 tables at once)
1st: 8
2nd: 14
3rd: 16
4th: 14
$.20/tourney
ROI: 0%
In the $: 38%
There you go. I moved up to the $100+9 NLHE SnG’s on Party 2 weeks ago. During my last 10 tourneys at the $50 level I noticed that I was not playing aggressive enough on the bubble. So when I moved up to the $100 level I played more aggressive on the bubble. Unfortunately I overcorrected and became too aggressive on the bubble, busting out 4th too much by pushing marginal hands. This coupled with some horrendous luck made my 1st 20 games at the $100 level pretty rough. I lost $480 in 20 games over 3 days. I could figure out what was wrong and thought it was luck, but I was getting ready to drop back down.
Fortunately I realized that I overcorrected and adjusted my bubble play to how I was playing before I got out of sink. It’s interesting how a slight change in my play can have a huge outcome in my results. It’s a careful balancing act for me on the bubble and it takes a lot of discipline to keep the right amount of aggressiveness. As soon as I made my adjustment I did well. 60 tourneys later I have a ROI of 37%. I’ve been hoping for an ROI of at least 36%, so I’m doing well so far. We’ll see how I’m doing after 300 tourneys.
At the suggestion of some of the posters I tried to play 3 at once at the $50 level. I did very poorly. I played a full 100 there and found that I didn’t have enough of a read on the players to do well when it got down to 4 and under. This read on players is essential to playing on the bubble and in the money. I went back down to 2 tables at once and played another 78 games. I absolutely killed the tables. I then felt that I was ready to move up to the $100 level with the comments above.
I realize now that I was not ready to move up to the $100 level after 100 games at the $50 level. I’ve learned an good amount about NLHE SnG’s by playing those additional 178 games. I’m glad I decided to play some more before moving up. It would have been a mistake to move up after 100 games as I had in the $10 and $20 tables. A thank you to everyone who cautioned me on moving up too soon. I listened to your advice, examined my game and my comfort level and waiting. I’m glad I did.
To those of you who questioned my earnings expectations, thank you also. You were wrong in my case, but it was good advice. I do not base my earning estimates on results, but on the quality of my opponents and my game. I knew that I was the best or 2nd best at every $50 table I sat at. And I feel that way at the $100 table. I fully expect to continue to be successful at this level based on the play I’ve seen, not my small sample size. Every player needs to be honest with their game and their results. It’s easy to blame poor play on luck. There are swings yes, but they even out. If you’re losing over a significant sample, then there is something wrong with your game. In addition, everyone not only needs to look at their results, but compare themselves to their peers. Do you feel that your in the top 3 when you sit down? If you don’t, that could be a problem even if your results are good.
$100 tables are somewhat harder than the $50 tables. There is definitely a jump there. However it is hard to gauge because I have continually improved as I have moved up in limits. The bottom line is, if you feel like the top 2 players at the $50 level, then you try should move up if you have the bankroll, significant results, and confidence. It did take a little to get used to playing for twice the amount of $$. The swings are twice as large and you have to be mentally strong enough to handle them.
Ok, this has just been a brain dumb here. I hope some of you find this useful. I would love to see results for the $100 and $200 NLHE SnG tables. Also, you shouldn’t bother posting results unless you have at least 100 tourneys. Even then, that doesn’t mean a lot. I’ve had major swings from 100 to 100. I’d guess 300 would be enough to give you an idea of where you stand.
HC
10+1 NLHE – 100 tourneys
1st: 18
2nd: 13
3rd: 16
4th: 15
$5.10/tourney
ROI: 46%
In the $: 47%
20+2 NLHE – 100 tourneys
1st: 17
2nd: 11
3rd: 14
4th: 13
$7.20/tourney
ROI: 32%
In the $: 42%
30+3 NLHE – 100 tourneys
1st: 18
2nd: 13
3rd: 15
4th: 10
$15.30/tourney
ROI: 46%
In the $: 46%
50+5 NLHE – 178 tourneys (2 tables at once)
1st: 31
2nd: 25
3rd: 30
4th: 16
$26.46/tourney
ROI: 48%
In the $: 48%
50+5 NLHE – 100 tourneys (3 tables at once)
1st: 8
2nd: 14
3rd: 16
4th: 14
$.20/tourney
ROI: 0%
In the $: 38%
There you go. I moved up to the $100+9 NLHE SnG’s on Party 2 weeks ago. During my last 10 tourneys at the $50 level I noticed that I was not playing aggressive enough on the bubble. So when I moved up to the $100 level I played more aggressive on the bubble. Unfortunately I overcorrected and became too aggressive on the bubble, busting out 4th too much by pushing marginal hands. This coupled with some horrendous luck made my 1st 20 games at the $100 level pretty rough. I lost $480 in 20 games over 3 days. I could figure out what was wrong and thought it was luck, but I was getting ready to drop back down.
Fortunately I realized that I overcorrected and adjusted my bubble play to how I was playing before I got out of sink. It’s interesting how a slight change in my play can have a huge outcome in my results. It’s a careful balancing act for me on the bubble and it takes a lot of discipline to keep the right amount of aggressiveness. As soon as I made my adjustment I did well. 60 tourneys later I have a ROI of 37%. I’ve been hoping for an ROI of at least 36%, so I’m doing well so far. We’ll see how I’m doing after 300 tourneys.
At the suggestion of some of the posters I tried to play 3 at once at the $50 level. I did very poorly. I played a full 100 there and found that I didn’t have enough of a read on the players to do well when it got down to 4 and under. This read on players is essential to playing on the bubble and in the money. I went back down to 2 tables at once and played another 78 games. I absolutely killed the tables. I then felt that I was ready to move up to the $100 level with the comments above.
I realize now that I was not ready to move up to the $100 level after 100 games at the $50 level. I’ve learned an good amount about NLHE SnG’s by playing those additional 178 games. I’m glad I decided to play some more before moving up. It would have been a mistake to move up after 100 games as I had in the $10 and $20 tables. A thank you to everyone who cautioned me on moving up too soon. I listened to your advice, examined my game and my comfort level and waiting. I’m glad I did.
To those of you who questioned my earnings expectations, thank you also. You were wrong in my case, but it was good advice. I do not base my earning estimates on results, but on the quality of my opponents and my game. I knew that I was the best or 2nd best at every $50 table I sat at. And I feel that way at the $100 table. I fully expect to continue to be successful at this level based on the play I’ve seen, not my small sample size. Every player needs to be honest with their game and their results. It’s easy to blame poor play on luck. There are swings yes, but they even out. If you’re losing over a significant sample, then there is something wrong with your game. In addition, everyone not only needs to look at their results, but compare themselves to their peers. Do you feel that your in the top 3 when you sit down? If you don’t, that could be a problem even if your results are good.
$100 tables are somewhat harder than the $50 tables. There is definitely a jump there. However it is hard to gauge because I have continually improved as I have moved up in limits. The bottom line is, if you feel like the top 2 players at the $50 level, then you try should move up if you have the bankroll, significant results, and confidence. It did take a little to get used to playing for twice the amount of $$. The swings are twice as large and you have to be mentally strong enough to handle them.
Ok, this has just been a brain dumb here. I hope some of you find this useful. I would love to see results for the $100 and $200 NLHE SnG tables. Also, you shouldn’t bother posting results unless you have at least 100 tourneys. Even then, that doesn’t mean a lot. I’ve had major swings from 100 to 100. I’d guess 300 would be enough to give you an idea of where you stand.
HC