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pr0crastin8r
07-13-2004, 09:37 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed)

BB (t800)
UTG (t700)
UTG+1 (t785)
UTG+2 (t1015)
MP1 (t785)
MP2 (t565)
MP3 (t700)
CO (t670)
Button (t930)
Hero (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t15, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t15, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks,

Flop: (t75) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets t75</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">CO raises to t655 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t805
<font color="green">Main Pot: t225 (t225), won by CO.</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: t580 (t580), returned to CO.</font>

Was he buying, or do you think he had a legitimate hand? I think I made the right decision, seeing as it was so early in the tournament...

pokerkai
07-13-2004, 09:41 PM
Good bet and good fold. My guess is the all in is overplaying a monster.

NotMitch
07-13-2004, 10:01 PM
Hard to put him on a hand really, but even if he is going to make agressive attempts at the pot like he could be there I think there are better time to try to pick him off. Good fold.

AA suited
07-14-2004, 09:42 AM
he might have top pair with good kicker, and making people pay for overcards. or he may have an open straight draw and overplaying it.

i would have called him w/an overpair. it's unlikely he has 68 or 36 for the straight.

kevyk
07-14-2004, 10:11 AM
The question in your mind must be: "what does he put me on?" If you believe that he reads you for a somewhat strong hand here, fold. He's got a set and overbet the pot so you'll attempt to snap him off.

I can't see him thinking this, given the size of the pot and the fact that you didn't raise preflop. My guess is that he has 67 or pocket sixes. He's got a decent pair and has outs with the straight draw if he's beaten.

The annoying thing is, you're still in a pretty weak position if he has what I think he does. You are a favorite, but at best 3:2 or so. Personally, I'm folding if I think I can outplay him later.

Sam T.
07-14-2004, 10:38 AM
I think you're ahead here. He may have the str8 draw, but this sounds to me like A7. The other possibility is that he has overcards and wanted to push you off a low pair. If he's got JT, KQ, etc., you're a coin-flip, so calling depends on how lucky you feel. I'd probably call, lose, and start another tournament.

DarrenX
07-14-2004, 11:20 AM
I would put him on either overvaluing TpTk or overplaying a set. Without a read this early in a game, I'm folding and patiently waiting for a better spot. Unless, of course, I've had a couple white russians... /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

ScottTheFish
07-14-2004, 12:24 PM
He may be buying, but it's just not worth it to find out. 99 is not a hand I'm willing to go broke with this early, on that flop, in an unrasied pot. He could have anything.

I'd fold and wait for a better spot. If he's bluffing, he'll do it again.

ScottTheFish
07-14-2004, 12:28 PM
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i would have called him w/an overpair. it's unlikely he has 68 or 36 for the straight.

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He also has us toasted with 55,77,44,47,54,74, etc. All of which are perfectly possible in an unraised pot. If he's spending T655 to bluff at T75, he can have it.

kevyk
07-14-2004, 01:04 PM
Two overcards on the flop is NOT a coinflip. With a 754 rainbow board, someone with TJ or KQ has 6 outs, making him roughly a 3:1 dog to the nines.

Sam T.
07-14-2004, 01:07 PM
Quite right. My brain was still in pre-flop mode.

RoyalSampler
07-14-2004, 01:09 PM
Similar situation for me last night. Post flop (862) UTG; I over bet the pot with pocket 10's. Someone behind me goes all in and gets called for all in.

I think this situation was simpler... I folded. My fears were two pair by the big blind or trips for either.

Result: the all-in'er had 9's the all-in-caller had trips (PP). Can't say it was an easy laydown, but I think it was sensible. It was early and all my chips in against 2 players with what reall was no more than a pair?

AA suited
07-14-2004, 02:03 PM
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i would have called him w/an overpair. it's unlikely he has 68 or 36 for the straight.

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He also has us toasted with 55,77,44,47,54,74, etc. All of which are perfectly possible in an unraised pot. If he's spending T655 to bluff at T75, he can have it.

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my thinking is an easy way to double up by calling with my overpair. if he had 2pairs, then i'll just start a new tourny since it's early in the game.