Poker adds on TV

[Zetack]

So I was watching the Tour de France and saw some Party Poker adds. I haven't watched the past few WPT's--is poker adverstising back on or is OLN so small that the Justice Department just forgot to intimidate them?

--Zetack

[Zele]

Rumor has it they're going for broke before Ashcroft suspends habeas corpus on offshore gambling advertisers.

Seriously, good question. I saw the ".com" adds on some other cable channel, too. I think it was SciFi.

[TruePoker CEO]

Truepoker will comp $25 to the first person (with a Truepoker account) who sends an email to marketing@truepoker.com with a verifiable sighting of gaming ads on a given cable network or other television market.

(Only the first such person gets the bounty for a given network or broadcaster, if we read it here first, no one gets paid by us.)

Please give a date, approx time, city, and network. If possible, also the cable provider.

We are looking for leads on actual online poker GAMING ads, not poker school ads or TheWiseguys video ads.

This offer is NOT limited to the US, we want to build our book of outlets in Europe as well. However, we do reserve the right to end it at any time and it IS void where prohibited by actual law.)

As long as it stays worthwhile in our sole discretion, we will hold the offer open.

Truepoker Management

[TobDog]

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or TheWiseguys video ads

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LMAO!

I heard a commercial for FullTilt on the radio this afternoon, they were supporting a petition to make poker an olympic sport, anyone else hear this?

tobdog

[Zetack]

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Truepoker will comp $25 to the first person (with a Truepoker account) who sends an email to marketing@truepoker.com with a verifiable sighting of gaming ads on a given cable network or other television market.

(Only the first such person gets the bounty for a given network or broadcaster, if we read it here first, no one gets paid by us.)

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Who knew by posting an observation here I could cost myself 25 bucks...oh well, I'll just have to go back to panhandling on streetcorners...

--Zetack

[TruePoker CEO]

Nah, I'll comp you. Just PM me your player name at Truepoker.

Truepoker CEO

[MicroBob]

i saw a spot for partypoker.NET yesterday evening on MSNBC about 6:00pm-ish i think.

i have seen several partypoker.NET ads run on MSNBC and CNBC and several others on these forums have posted the same. there have been many threads on this topic in various forums.

i also saw a partypoker.net ad run on the Fox Network in the 7th inning of their major-league baseball telecast of Atlanta vs. Philly. this was their 'B' game so was probably only being show in 20-30% of the US markets. someone else from philly reported seeing the same ad on these forums.
this happened about a month ago but i thought it was hugely significant because it was the first time i know of anyone having reported a poker-ad on a major network such as Fox (please note...this was not Fox-Sports Net or some other cable channel...this was on the Fox Game of the Week).


others have reported seeing them during MLB telecasts in various markets including San Diego and Detroit among others.
as well as on Fox-News.
others have reported seeing them on the Game-Show Network...and i'm pretty sure ads for royal vegas have aired on that channel as well.

it's important to note that these ads are for partypoker.NET (as opposed to dot-COM).
dot-NET is a play-money site only....and in the ads they make no mention of playing for real money (most of the ads for various sites that ran during the WPT last year included info of winning REAL money).
the dot-NET ads just go into detail about how you can 'LEARN to play like the pros'. learn how to play Hold-em, omaha, stud, etc etc. again...no REAL money is mentioned which is their creative way of staying on the legal side of this issue.


obviously, party is hoping some of the folks who see the ads will 'accidentally' go to dot-COM instead. and those who start hitting the play-money tables on dot-NET are obviously going to receive advertising for the dot-com site.


i'm not sure why TPCEO would want to offer $25 for a siting of these. my dad watches CNBC all the time and says he was seeing them about every day for awhile in there.
i'm curious if there are plans to try to tattle on party to the DOJ or FCC or something like that.

CNBC and MSNBC are going to be airing a lot of their olympics coverage. it will be interesting to see if the partypoker ads run during that time

[spacemonkey57]

On a sort of related topic, I saw a partypoker.com ad on the elevator channel (tv screen in the elevator with news and ads) this morning. I'm not sure how effective that's going to be.

[MicroBob]

interesting....i assume is was dot-COM and not dot-NET.

since you work in a building that has an elevator TV-screen this would appear to go along with the strategy i have perceived that they are trying to go where the money is.

CNBC and MSNBC and Fox-News all have programming that appeal to a more affluent crowd. not too many minimum-wage workers watching CNBC.

[spacemonkey57]

It was a .com ad, I made sure to double check.

[berya]

I heard about this yesterday on the radio in New York. Just posted about this on the Internet forum. I found the link to the website. www.pokerinathens.org (http://www.pokerinathens.org)

berya

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

It may be that party is selling into the local cable providers' slots and not the network slots. I saw one on a Fox network MLB telecast a couple of weeks ago, but there's no way for me to know whether I was watching a Fox slot or a Cox Cable slot.

[NotMitch]

Party (.com not .net) has ads on the tv like screens in the elevators in my building, I noticed the first one yesterday.

[LargeCents]

I've been seeing the Party Poker dot com ads quite a bit lately. But, they advertise it as the biggest "Poker School" on the internet. They don't mention cash games at all. So, maybe this is how they somehow avoid the technical issue of offshore internet gambling.

On a similar note, has anyone noticed how the major hard liquor makers can advertise their brand on TV in the guise of their watered-down wine-cooler type drinks, eg Smirnoff ICE. How long before the cigarette industry figures out how to capitalize on this loophole? Maybe a TV commercial for a Marlboro "home chemotherapy kit" could make for some snappy branding. lmao

--Cents

[whiskeytown]

I saw the ad yesterday on ESPN (sometime around coverage of home run derby and the allstar game)

I thought it was real unusual - but didn't notice the .net - (I was at an angle from the TV)

it's interesting the holes in the law that people can use and get away with...LOL - but yah...they're only advertising how to play...not a real money site

RB

[MicroBob]

as has been pointed out before...it's difficult to tell for certain whether the ad is network-wide or whether it's just via your local cable-network.

it took us awhile to determine that the ads on CNBC were nationwide.


the baseball ad on fox-network that i saw i'm pretty sure was on the network.
i'm in memphis...and a guy in philly said he saw the same ad at the same time.


if the ads you see mention 'best online poker-school' etc...then this is probably the dot-net ads i think...
keep a watchful eye on whether they are dot-net or dot-com.


the whole elevator-ads thing is interesting too.


total number of players right now is 43k.
maybe there is a greater percentage of play-money players because of the dot-net ads....but i think the games are getting slightly fishier again.
and i'm pretty sure 1 or 2 months ago it wasn't breaking 35k typically on a wednesday night....but i don't swing by pokerpulse that often so i don't really know for sure.


anyway, i sure don't think the ads can hurt.

[riverflush]

It's also important to realize that the issue of offshore online gaming is not settled in the country - and some are willing to take the risk of running into trouble with the law, because the law is vague and not formed yet. Many believe that we are moving towards a full acceptance of online gaming (many believe we are not, as well), especially with the WTO's stance on the issue.

Some take the view that they are willing to gamble with the outcome, as they expect to be told "stop" before being criminally charged. When told "stop" they will then stop, but not until then. Also - just merely accepting advertising $$ for potentially quasi-illegal online gambling itself has not been established to be an illegal act itself. That's why Card Player Magazine is full of internet ads.

The issue is vague, and will continue to be for years in the U.S.

[pokeraz]

No need for any comps or anything, but I have seen partypoker.com ads three times on a local AZ Diamondbacks telecast here in the Phoenix area. I have also seen one other ad on another local channel but do not recall the site. They were only local ads though, not national.

[SA-Bishop]

so am I the only person who is constantly seeing ads for "Golden Palace Poker" during WPT and celeberity pokeer on Bravo? I went to the site and it was definately real money. It looks like a pretty shady site.

[Jimbo]

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-and some are willing to take the risk of running into trouble with the law, because the law is vague and not formed yet.

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The Federal law in the USA is not vague at all. It is not a Federal crime to place an offshore bet whether it be on poker, casino style games or a sporting event. Applicable statutes in your local jurisdiction may vary.

Jimbo

[Schmed]

but the ads for party that I see on TV are for Party.net. They claim it's some kind of poker school where I assume you learn to play for no money. Essentially download their software and play on a no money table. They probably use that to download all kinds of spyware and adware crap like this site is starting to do.... how lame is that...... I appreciate all the advice and the pain in the ass is worth it but man these pop ups are crazy aggressive. One pops up, then another trys to download software, don't hit the wrong button next thing ya know your search engine is taken over.....freaking lame if you ask me.......

[TimM]

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They probably use that to download all kinds of spyware and adware crap like this site is starting to do.... how lame is that...... I appreciate all the advice and the pain in the ass is worth it but man these pop ups are crazy aggressive. One pops up, then another trys to download software, don't hit the wrong button next thing ya know your search engine is taken over.....freaking lame if you ask me.......

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't get any of that here. It sounds like your machine is infected with Spyware and your browser has been hijacked to have popups on any site. Try this:

http://www.download.com/3000-2144-10045910.html?part=69274&subj=dlpage&tag=button

[riverflush]

Again, the laws in this country are vague and unformed. I said nothing about placing a bet as that is a separate issue. The end-user of online poker programs will most likely never have anything to worry about. Police aren't going to come busting down your doors because you deposited $50 in Party Poker. Even on a much smaller level - people are rarely bothered for being the one placing the bet . It is those providing the forum for taking the action that are under the gun.

That said, this country is still trying to figure out what it thinks about online gaming, and the laws are all over the place (federal vs. state). If I were a betting man, I'd bet on legal in the U.S. by 2008 - clarified by the rule of law. They'll get on the bus and attempt to "regulate" it, as they always do.

www.gamblingandthelaw.com (http://gamblingandthelaw.com)

[MicroBob]

i don't have any problems with pop-ups either.


and i don't think it's terribly responsible to speculate that party's play-money site invades you with pop-ups when you don't seem to have any evidence that this happens.

[Schmed]

Go ahead and make the mistake of hitting "download" when one of those pop ups ask you if you want to download. I'm not exactly sure which pop up it was but I haven't been on this site in a month or so and I came back and kept getting nailed. I meant to hit the option to cancel or quit or not download but I hit enter and it downloaded some crap in to my puter.

As for being responsible or irresponsible....yeah these poker sites, especially the newer ones, are real responsible. They inundate you with email. They send mail to your house because, and I'm assuming here, that Party or one of the other ones sold your info, (I assume Party because Empire, the site I receive mail from all the time, uses the same skin). Irresponsible my behind, it's reasonable to assume that these gambling sites are targeting you and are trying to put their name in you conscious. They also want to track your activity and find out how they can best market to you. If you think that Party and all the other ones aren't using every method at their diposal to do this you haven't been paying attention to what's going on online with "legit" sites let a lone gambling sites.

(by the way as I am sitting here typing this I get a download pop up that wants me to download something)

[Schmed]

I have adaware and it found a bunch of stuff. I got rid of it but it didn't do anything. I still have a problem with my search engine being hijacked.

Thanks