Good odds table to memorize for Holdem

[Player_X]

All,

Can anyone recommend to me what the best odds are to memorize for a beginner in Holdem? Also, why is it that odds tables in books give you the odds in percentage form, rather than in the form of X to 1. Don’t you need to know the odds in the form of something to 1 in order to compare them to the pot odds so you can determine whether or not to call?

Thanks in Advance,

Player_X

[eyekast]

number of outs/ odds

20/ 1.3 to 1
19/ 1.5 to 1
18/ 1.6 to 1
17/ 1.8 to 1
16/ 1.9 to 1
15/ 2.1 to 1
14/ 2.4 to 1
13/ 2.6 to 1
12/ 3 to 1
11/ 3.3 to 1
10/ 3.7 to 1
9 / 4 to 1
8 / 5 to 1
7 / 6 to 1
6 / 7 to 1
5 / 8 to 1
4 / 11 to 1
3 / 15 to 1
2 / 23 to 1
1 / 46 to 1

[Eclypse]

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number of outs/ odds

20/ 1.3 to 1
19/ 1.5 to 1
18/ 1.6 to 1
17/ 1.8 to 1
16/ 1.9 to 1
15/ 2.1 to 1
14/ 2.4 to 1
13/ 2.6 to 1
12/ 3 to 1
11/ 3.3 to 1
10/ 3.7 to 1
9 / 4 to 1
8 / 5 to 1
7 / 6 to 1
6 / 7 to 1
5 / 8 to 1
4 / 11 to 1
3 / 15 to 1
2 / 23 to 1
1 / 46 to 1

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You can memorize these if you want, but they're wrong.

[eyekast]

oh yeah

guess you failed math or just an idiot. do the division for 47 unseen cards on the flop.

[Kiddwyo]

Player_X one of the best odds charts I found was in Card Player magazine (cardplayer.com), Vol 17, No.7, March 26, 2004. Lou Krieger Feature On Strategy. If you cannot find the chart, I have it on an MS excel format and would be happy to e-mail it to you. Just email me at kidwyo1311@aol.com

[Eclypse]

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oh yeah

guess you failed math or just an idiot. do the division for 47 unseen cards on the flop.

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Well, I’ve got better things to do than teach you math, but let’s do one so you can see where you went wrong:

Let’s take 3 outs as an example. There are 47 unseen cards with two cards to come. That means 3/47 * 45/46 * 2 = 0.12488 or approximately 7-to-1 (7.007-to-1 to be exact).

On the river it would be 3/46 or .06522 or 14.33-to-1

[Lost Wages]

Link to same. (http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_magazine/archives/showarticle.php?a_id=13913) I have a much better one which I will post when I get home tonight.

Lost Wages

[Player_X]

Now you see my dilemma.

Even the odds table in Appendix A of HEPFAP is not exactly correct, so it doesn’t surprise me that someone’s else’s table may also be wrong.

I asked Howard Lederer this question, and he told me to just learn “some of the basic odds”. I wasn’t sure what some of the basic odds were.

Should you learn your odds in both percentage form and X to 1 form? How many decimal places should you learn them to? Should you just round them to all whole numbers?

Anyone else have any ideas? Daniel are you out there? What odds do you have memorized?

I need to get this right the first time. This is what I have come up with on my own: Hope the format is legible.

Outs After Flop On Turn On River


1 4.3 21.7 to 1 46 to 1 45 to 1
2 8.4 10.9 to 1 22.5 to 1 22 to 1
3 12.5 7 to 1 14.66 to 1 14.33 to 1
4 16.5 5.1 to 1 10.75 to 1 10.5 to 1
5 20.3 3.9 to 1 8.4 to 1 8.2 to 1
6 24.1 3.2 to 1 6.8 to 1 6.7 to 1
7 27.8 2.6 to 1 5.7 to 1 5.6 to 1
8 31.5 2.2 to 1 4.88 to 1 4.75 to 1
9 35.0 1.9 to 1 4.22 to 1 4.11 to 1
10 38.4 1.6 to 1 3.7 to 1 3.6 to 1
11 41.7 1.4 to 1 3.3 to 1 3.2 to 1
12 45.0 1.2 to 1 2.9 to 1 2.8 to 1
13 48.1 1.1 to 1 2.6 to 1 2.5 to 1
14 51.2 .95 to 1 2.4 to 1 2.3 to 1
15 54.1 .85 to 1 2.1 to 1 2 to 1
16 57.0 .75 to 1 1.9 to 1 1.9 to 1
17 59.8 .67 to 1 1.8 to 1 1.7 to 1
18 62.4 .60 to 1 1.6 to 1 1.6 to 1
19 65.0 .54 to 1 1.5 to 1 1.4 to 1
20 67.5 .48 to 1 1.4 to 1 1.3 to 1

Cheers!!

Player_X

[eyekast]

ok let's take three outs,

on the flop there are 47 unseen cards. out of these 47 there are 3 cards that will help you and 44 that will not

so (44/3) = 14.66 which can be rounded for simplicity to 15

look, i just got to this forum and i want to enjoy being a member. i apologize for bashing you before and calling you an idiot. so let's just say there is a bunch of ways to come up with odds and use what works best for you.

<eyekast

[Lost Wages]

look, i just got to this forum and i want to enjoy being a member. i apologize for bashing you before and calling you an idiot.

Uh, thanks but you didn't call <font color="red">me</font> an idiot, at least not that I know of /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

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[Eclypse]

The middle column is off and now I see what eyekast was doing. He was figuring odds for making his hand on the turn only without considering the river (my appologies eyekast). Anyway, you need to figure the turn and river as a combination of two cards, like this:

For 3 outs: 3/47 * 45/46 * 2 = 12.49% or approximately 7-to-1

Hope this made sense.

[eyekast]

yes and sorry for getting off on a bad foot. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[M.B.E.]

It would be worth while to memorize the odds in Dynasty's famous "common odds" post.

[caretaker1]

Personally, the following is the best site I've found for important odds:

http://www.pokerupdate.com/pokerodds

Hope that helps.

[tiltaholic]

Sorry if this duplicates someone else.

I wouldn't try to memorize the whole thing, but it has been a good learning tool for me.

The table has both percentages and odds for turn, river, turn and river, and turn or river situations...

odds (http://conjelco.com/faq/odds-holdem.html)

I haven't checked the math, but seems to be right.

[Houston Green]

I'm having a difficult time tracking this post down. Do you have any more specific search criteria?

Thanks in advance.

[M.B.E.]

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Thanks in advance.

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You're welcome.

[SumZero]

How good are you at multiplying things by 1.3 or other decimals? How good are you at memorizing 40 numbers?

A reasonable approximation, especially for a beginner is to just do: outs * cards_to_come * 2

which gives you the percentage of making the hand (roughly). For instance 7 outs after the flop means 7 * 2 * 2 = 28% of winning. This isn't exact, but it is close, quick, and easy.